Thistle,
17th August 1913
My dearest Martha,
I have received the little package you send and thank you very much for it. It is sad that most of the fruit was spoiled, I could only eat about four pieces; the rest was mush. Please don’t send any more. You paid 22 cents for postage and that is quite a lot. I can buy an entire paper sack of fruit here for 10 cents which is much less. But it was wonderful that you thought about me. You are so good and have a good heart. Please don’t be offended about what I wrote. See, the fruit here comes from Provo and Springville. I am not very fond of fruit; however it would be of interest and joy for me to see one of those fruit farms.
I have read your dear letter. I could tell it was so hard for you to have to wait so long for a letter from me. I was not sick, thank heavens, however we were gone and that was the reason for me not writing earlier. I ask for forgiveness. You know the saying “and please don’t eat me" (because she was upset about him not writing).
No, Martha, I will never leave you alone, because I love you with all my heart. You mean everything to me, you are so good and I hope you will always be good to me; that would be so great. If you love me as much as I love you, it will be wonderful to be together, my dear Martha. I wished for that time to arrive soon, my Schnugerli (sweetheart). God may lead and guide all and that means all will be well. What was that bad dream you had all about? Forget about it, it is nonsense. Just remain true to all your beliefs and to your associations, that is most important. I do the same. I am healthy and I am getting fatter. It is quite boring here.
Marie wrote me a letter and she complained that I don’t write a lot. It looks as if I don’t think that much about my relatives, but that is not true. Sometimes I wished I could be in their presence. I have answered Marie right away, I also wrote to Aunt Friede? and to the Guttmann’s. Everyone seems to complain that I don’t write enough. But I write to all those that mean a lot to me in this life. Now I will also write to the friends in the ward, which might hopefully do some good. Marie wrote that our Pappa (father) has been active and has improved much. He raises pigeons again and the cat is trying to eat the pigeons. All seems to go okay, according to Marie, but Pappa needs to be more knowledgeable in the Gospel. Now he has done things that no one expected! He is preaching and correcting the members, which shows that he must have been quite upset. It does however take courage and nothing gets people more upset or wound up than religion. I have experienced it here, especially with jack Mormons.
I know I can deal with everything and have to deal with things, however it is sometimes hard. But we have to experience everything for a purpose.
I have been thinking about how I would react if I would accept my father if he would come into my presence. I am ashamed of how my father treated your parents. Wonder what they think about me now? I will write to them. I am sorry that things happened between our parents. I am still wondering how things could have progressed so fast. I am a little hurt about Marie's letter to me. I know that we will be able to start our own family and get our own home. All beginnings are hard but it can only be better from now on.
I received your letter on the 17th. I was so happy and your wise words have thrilled me. You are wonderful and good, and I, your Walter, will always be good to you. You don’t have to be worried, my loyalty and my love will shield you and keep us together, my dear Martha. While we are far apart right now, our love is strong and keeps us together. I have learned to value and appreciate you more than ever before. You are so very good and I know you will remain that way, dear Martha.
Thank you also for forwarding the greetings of your parents to me. How do they feel now that you and I live so far apart? It is too bad that your family can’t be here with you also. If we are patient time will work for us. Patience will award you with roses; first buds are growing and then grow the blossoms. We just can’t get offended and have to endure in love. There are many who are suffering like we are and who are going through trials.
We now have to learn the language and that is very hard. But each day we are progressing with the language. We are many people sitting at the table. They always ask me something in English. Since they are aware that I am just learning to speak the language, they think I will answer something stupid and are ready to laugh. But I am not upset about it at all. I always seem to answer somehow and I know I have to keep on learning the language. It is all okay and we don’t have to be afraid, we just have to watch and study. Talk as much as possible with your relatives.
Today is Friday evening the 22nd and I have not yet received my vacation pass. I have reported it to my superiors. They promised they would call the office in Salt Lake City. Only with that official pass can I leave here and come and see you. I sure hope that it will work out and that the superiors will really follow up with this and that I will have the pass by Saturday. I can’t wait to see you again. It will be a wonderful reunion for us, I am sure about that. It is often times so hard to be without you. You are my chosen one. Please send the mail only to the postal office.
I wished we could be together already.
Kiss and greetings, your loyal Walter
Walter Hanni,
Thistle Utah
Greetings to the Woodruff family
We thought it would be fun to share some of our genealogical findings with our family and friends.
Thursday, January 7, 2016
Tuesday, January 5, 2016
Walter Hanni letters Part II
The next group of letters appear to be written after the move to America but before they got married. Our translator couldn't figure out what "banten" was but it appears to have to do with his work. He was working for a railroad company at the time.
Thistle,
2nd August 1913
Dear Martha
I have received your letter and thank you for it. I was glad to know that you are in Brigham City. Recently some new “Banten” surfaced of which I had not known before. I asked myself how much longer this might last? If I am required to stay here, it will be until November.
I feel often times very discouraged and have to tell myself “you have to truly fight/battle”, I have never thought that this would happen to me. I don’t know where the end will be. Perhaps these are trials, I just don’t know. Things happen how they are supposed to. I am happy about your paper (maybe a drawing?). I do not laugh about it, for I have forgotten how to laugh. I will laugh again in the future, and I don’t know if that will be in Switzerland or in America. I have hiked too much in the Swiss Alps and I am constantly thinking about it. In my mind I vision see the elder bush in the yard were we loved to sit while the moon was shining. Some things are not as clear on my mind as others.
I always think about you, Martha. But now I want to discuss another subject. I have promised to marry you. But now I am making way fewer wages than in Switzerland and that makes me think about the future. You have had to wait so long already and I have not fulfilled my commitment to marry you yet. Your sisters are all doing very well and I would like to have the same status for you. In Switzerland I was doing very well and would have had a good future. I love you and I do not want another one in my life. But if you have a better choice, besides me, then it is up to you. You need to decide. Please don’t be upset with these words for I want everything to be okay for you. I am sure your dear parents don’t know what to think about our situation. May the dear God guide and lead us. I have been having deep thoughts about this. I want you to know that I will never leave you, Martha. What I have promised you I will keep. Please answer me as soon as possible, please dear Martha.
Something else: Please send me the following: three shirts one of which should me my white hunters shirt, hair brush, razor knife, cloth brush, a mouth harmonica, the small one which is in the photo box or the suit case, the letter box which is on top of the closet. Also three pairs of socks of which one will still are stuck inside my Sunday shoes. The keys are in back of the bed in one of the boxes. Money for postage is inside the black box in the wooden suitcase. You can take some of it for your work in my behalf. Ask Adelle if she can deposit my money in the bank; please give her my savings book. She can deduct money for her time spent on this. I will send her money once she lets me know how much I owe her. I am not allowed to keep money here, so I need it put in the bank. Send me please the address from Adelle.
I send my greetings to all, to you hugs and kisses,
Walter
Good Bye.
Underlined side remark: Private Mail remark on top (should be inserted somewhere but I don’t know where) the tools are behind the bed, please wrap them in paper and put in the suitcase.
Thistle,
2nd August 1913
Dear Martha
I have received your letter and thank you for it. I was glad to know that you are in Brigham City. Recently some new “Banten” surfaced of which I had not known before. I asked myself how much longer this might last? If I am required to stay here, it will be until November.
I feel often times very discouraged and have to tell myself “you have to truly fight/battle”, I have never thought that this would happen to me. I don’t know where the end will be. Perhaps these are trials, I just don’t know. Things happen how they are supposed to. I am happy about your paper (maybe a drawing?). I do not laugh about it, for I have forgotten how to laugh. I will laugh again in the future, and I don’t know if that will be in Switzerland or in America. I have hiked too much in the Swiss Alps and I am constantly thinking about it. In my mind I vision see the elder bush in the yard were we loved to sit while the moon was shining. Some things are not as clear on my mind as others.
I always think about you, Martha. But now I want to discuss another subject. I have promised to marry you. But now I am making way fewer wages than in Switzerland and that makes me think about the future. You have had to wait so long already and I have not fulfilled my commitment to marry you yet. Your sisters are all doing very well and I would like to have the same status for you. In Switzerland I was doing very well and would have had a good future. I love you and I do not want another one in my life. But if you have a better choice, besides me, then it is up to you. You need to decide. Please don’t be upset with these words for I want everything to be okay for you. I am sure your dear parents don’t know what to think about our situation. May the dear God guide and lead us. I have been having deep thoughts about this. I want you to know that I will never leave you, Martha. What I have promised you I will keep. Please answer me as soon as possible, please dear Martha.
Something else: Please send me the following: three shirts one of which should me my white hunters shirt, hair brush, razor knife, cloth brush, a mouth harmonica, the small one which is in the photo box or the suit case, the letter box which is on top of the closet. Also three pairs of socks of which one will still are stuck inside my Sunday shoes. The keys are in back of the bed in one of the boxes. Money for postage is inside the black box in the wooden suitcase. You can take some of it for your work in my behalf. Ask Adelle if she can deposit my money in the bank; please give her my savings book. She can deduct money for her time spent on this. I will send her money once she lets me know how much I owe her. I am not allowed to keep money here, so I need it put in the bank. Send me please the address from Adelle.
I send my greetings to all, to you hugs and kisses,
Walter
Good Bye.
Underlined side remark: Private Mail remark on top (should be inserted somewhere but I don’t know where) the tools are behind the bed, please wrap them in paper and put in the suitcase.
Tuesday, December 29, 2015
Postcards
Some postcards addressed to Martha
Mademoiselle Martha Rohrbach
Stadt Hospital, Hier, Bienne
Fiel, the 9 Aug 1911
Dear Sister
How are you doing in the Hospital and how are your eyes doing. I hope that you will be able to come soon back, for without your voice the choir does not sound quite right. Remain healthy and don’t take any high money (don’t really know what they are trying to say, perhaps stay faithful and don’t get disrupted???)
Good Bye
Bretheren Weber, Farmer and Carver
Miss Martha Rohrbach,
Brueggestreet, 20 B, Madetoch, Biel, Canton Bern , Switzerland, Europe
send 7th Avenue, Salt Lake, Utah, April 1912 (post stamp)
The 2 April 1909
My dear ones. I am writing you fast that on the 1 April at 8 am in the morning a healthy, strong boy was born. All is well and healthy. We have now the most beautiful weather here. Next Sunday is again Conference. 1000 Kisses and greeting to all of you. How is Bertha doing?
The card is from Hanging Bridge Royal Gorge, Colorado
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Mademoiselle Martha Rohrbach
Stadt Hospital, Hier, Bienne
Fiel, the 9 Aug 1911
Dear Sister
How are you doing in the Hospital and how are your eyes doing. I hope that you will be able to come soon back, for without your voice the choir does not sound quite right. Remain healthy and don’t take any high money (don’t really know what they are trying to say, perhaps stay faithful and don’t get disrupted???)
Good Bye
Bretheren Weber, Farmer and Carver
Miss Martha Rohrbach,
Brueggestreet, 20 B, Madetoch, Biel, Canton Bern , Switzerland, Europe
send 7th Avenue, Salt Lake, Utah, April 1912 (post stamp)
The 2 April 1909
My dear ones. I am writing you fast that on the 1 April at 8 am in the morning a healthy, strong boy was born. All is well and healthy. We have now the most beautiful weather here. Next Sunday is again Conference. 1000 Kisses and greeting to all of you. How is Bertha doing?
The card is from Hanging Bridge Royal Gorge, Colorado
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Thursday, December 3, 2015
Walter Hanni Letters Part 1
These letters appear to be ones Walter wrote to Martha while he was in the Swiss army.
Andermatt, the 10 October 1911
Dear Martha,
I have received the package, many thanks to you. Did you pack this package? It was totally perfect and in great condition. I was on guard duty when the package arrived. It was my first try at shooting; we have been sharp shooting this week with Canons. We shot from Andermatt all the way to Realp. A terrible noise filled the Urseren Valley. It was a loud noise as can be heard when an avalanche is triggered in spring time. We were training shooting at a good time, the weather was very nice.
I am happy to hear that your health is making great progress. The very best possession a human can have is to have good health. I have not been sick for a minute yet and I am very grateful for that to my Father in Heaven.
You wrote that you went to visit your sister and brother in law in Schraderau. Now you have the opportunity to spoil yourself a little, so make good use of it. Once I come back home, I will make up for lost time. I am not able to have a very good time up here be for I don’t have the best of company. I think you will understand what I mean. It is no pleasure for me to go to the tavern and there is too much snow in the mountains to enjoy any kind of sport. As soon as the snow freezes I will use the opportunity to go skiing.
How are the people in Biel doing? Is the old Friede still there? I have received a report from brother Ritter. I have written a letter to Jeanne Losli, tell her to answer my letter. How is she doing? Is Jeanne healthy? I hope so. Monday in three weeks I will be able to join the Saints, how is the ward choir doing? I hope that we can sing in good harmony. I have to end now. Wish you much happiness and Gods blessings.
Good night,
Greetings from the old Walter
Andermatt, the 8th October 1911
Dear Martha!
I have received the little bock. Thank you again for it. Now I need to ask you, should I send the little box back to you or may I keep it? It is Sunday evening and I had the honor to be on “guard duty”. What a pleasure it is. The sky is blue, the moon is shining on top of the beautiful Alp Mountain tops. Very enjoyable to go for a walk and I am inviting you to walk with me. Many thoughts went through my mind, all kinds of phantasies. When I am home I can tell you the details, but you probably can imagine yourself what those have been. In 4 weeks I will be done and released to come home. I hope that you will be totally healthy by that time. I wish you much happiness and health and Gods blessings. Schleep wenn and have sweet dreams.
Your Walter (I think he means that she is his sunshine love???)
To Miss Martha Rohrbach, Brueggestreet, Madietsch
Dear Martha!
I have received your letter and thank you very much for it. You wrote me about the great time you had. I wished I could have been there with you, but I can’t change it now. In 14 days I will be able to have joy also. I will make up for the time I lost here. Tuesday is our great parade day and that should be really wonderful.
How are you doing? Are your eyes better yet? I sure hope so! We will have a wonderful time together when I come back. I dreamt about you, but I will tell you all about it in person. I am healthy and fine.
I wish you God’s blessing and much happiness.
Good night and sleep well and have sweet dreams.
Greetings, Walter
Dear Martha
I have to tell you that I will be coming home on Monday evening and I am very happy about this. I can hardly wait to be with my loved once again. I hope that you will be healthy and fine when I arrive. I am so grateful to you for all the good you have done. I hope I will have a great time at home once I am there. We still have wonderful weather here and it is supposed to be good as long as I am remaining here. I am doing just fine and can thank my Heavenly Father for that.
Several thoughts go through my head, fantasies of all kinds. I will tell you all about it when I come home but perhaps you can guess some of those already. Only four more weeks and I am finished with my service here. I hope that you will get totally healthy by the time I get back home. I wish you much happiness, healthiness and the blessings from God. Sleep well and dream sweetly again.
Walter
Andermatt, the 10 October 1911
Dear Martha,
I have received the package, many thanks to you. Did you pack this package? It was totally perfect and in great condition. I was on guard duty when the package arrived. It was my first try at shooting; we have been sharp shooting this week with Canons. We shot from Andermatt all the way to Realp. A terrible noise filled the Urseren Valley. It was a loud noise as can be heard when an avalanche is triggered in spring time. We were training shooting at a good time, the weather was very nice.
I am happy to hear that your health is making great progress. The very best possession a human can have is to have good health. I have not been sick for a minute yet and I am very grateful for that to my Father in Heaven.
You wrote that you went to visit your sister and brother in law in Schraderau. Now you have the opportunity to spoil yourself a little, so make good use of it. Once I come back home, I will make up for lost time. I am not able to have a very good time up here be for I don’t have the best of company. I think you will understand what I mean. It is no pleasure for me to go to the tavern and there is too much snow in the mountains to enjoy any kind of sport. As soon as the snow freezes I will use the opportunity to go skiing.
How are the people in Biel doing? Is the old Friede still there? I have received a report from brother Ritter. I have written a letter to Jeanne Losli, tell her to answer my letter. How is she doing? Is Jeanne healthy? I hope so. Monday in three weeks I will be able to join the Saints, how is the ward choir doing? I hope that we can sing in good harmony. I have to end now. Wish you much happiness and Gods blessings.
Good night,
Greetings from the old Walter
Andermatt, the 8th October 1911
Dear Martha!
I have received the little bock. Thank you again for it. Now I need to ask you, should I send the little box back to you or may I keep it? It is Sunday evening and I had the honor to be on “guard duty”. What a pleasure it is. The sky is blue, the moon is shining on top of the beautiful Alp Mountain tops. Very enjoyable to go for a walk and I am inviting you to walk with me. Many thoughts went through my mind, all kinds of phantasies. When I am home I can tell you the details, but you probably can imagine yourself what those have been. In 4 weeks I will be done and released to come home. I hope that you will be totally healthy by that time. I wish you much happiness and health and Gods blessings. Schleep wenn and have sweet dreams.
Your Walter (I think he means that she is his sunshine love???)
To Miss Martha Rohrbach, Brueggestreet, Madietsch
Andermatt, the 21 October 1911
Dear Martha!
I have received your letter and thank you very much for it. You wrote me about the great time you had. I wished I could have been there with you, but I can’t change it now. In 14 days I will be able to have joy also. I will make up for the time I lost here. Tuesday is our great parade day and that should be really wonderful.
How are you doing? Are your eyes better yet? I sure hope so! We will have a wonderful time together when I come back. I dreamt about you, but I will tell you all about it in person. I am healthy and fine.
I wish you God’s blessing and much happiness.
Good night and sleep well and have sweet dreams.
Greetings, Walter
Andermatt, the 2nd or 7th November 1911
Dear Martha
I have to tell you that I will be coming home on Monday evening and I am very happy about this. I can hardly wait to be with my loved once again. I hope that you will be healthy and fine when I arrive. I am so grateful to you for all the good you have done. I hope I will have a great time at home once I am there. We still have wonderful weather here and it is supposed to be good as long as I am remaining here. I am doing just fine and can thank my Heavenly Father for that.
Several thoughts go through my head, fantasies of all kinds. I will tell you all about it when I come home but perhaps you can guess some of those already. Only four more weeks and I am finished with my service here. I hope that you will get totally healthy by the time I get back home. I wish you much happiness, healthiness and the blessings from God. Sleep well and dream sweetly again.
Walter
Martha Hanni letter
To: Miss Martha
Rohrbach, Hospital Chambre n 22, Pasquart (local village)
Biel, the 23
July 1910
Dear Martha,
I have received your letter with great joy and had to laugh when you wrote “you
are in a very good mood hopefully.” How is the English language coming along?
You are probably muddling your way through the language and will soon be able
to translate for some.
I don’t have
any news to report to you, all remains the same, sometimes better, other times
worse! Jeanne has sent you already two letters, did you receive them?
You said that if you would get a beautiful hat you would go and live in town.
We have some beautiful models of it here. I still have the one I had last year. It is made of the same straw as the ones
last summer, but a different style. On both sides is fastened a large rose and
around it small ones and a black trimming. I have bought this hat in Bern.
Jeanne and I have the most beautiful hats of all the girls. Jeanne and I will have a picture taken with our hats so you can see it
yourself.
How is Walter doing, he has not written me at all.
Brother Hansen had an appendix inflammation and was in the Seeland Hospital.
Lilly and Lisi Trittib were with him almost every day. When he was released from
the hospital he went to Fankhauser’s to sleep and they took good care of him
for him and he only will stay at the Fankhauser’s. One of their sons helped
steal a barrel of Beer. That is what my father told me and that Fankhauser
family is supposed to be the Example Family.
Brother Bottam was able to go home again. He was close to death in Basel, but
once he felt better he could come home again and I am happy for him.
On the 10 August is Conference in Bern and I am looking forward to it. We have
had a lot of rain and it is not very good for our white skirts, they drag on
the ground. We don’t see Misses Monbaron any more at church, I don’t know what
happened to her. Misses Baumann is not attending any more either, it is because of Lilly but I
can’t tell you any more about it, since I don’t know more. The old Finschi of Solothurn is getting married soon. His intentions are
already posted and made public.
I don’t know any more. Don’t mind my hand writing, for I wrote very fast.
I send my greetings to you and kiss you.
Marie
Please write back soon, don’t let me wait to long with your answer. Greetings
also from mother.
Thursday, November 26, 2015
Hanni letters
As we have been going through my grandma's house the last couple of months we have happened upon many interesting things as is the case when cleaning out grandparents houses. It is interesting to see what things people choose to keep and as a result leave behind.
First off to everyone who loved the World War II love letters from Grandpa Ken. What a treasure — who knew grandpa was such a romantic. The letters have all been scanned and are available to view or download on familysearch.org on Grandpa Ken's page. I felt that was the best place to put them. Mostly because they are multiple page pdfs and there were a lot of them. Second Grandpa Ken wrote quite a long history about himself. We also found a history for Grandma Margaret. We hope to get those put into a book before too long. We will let interested parties know when we get that completed.
Third we found a box of letters that belonged to Walter and Martha Hanni. They are all around 100 years old and written for the most part in German script. (I still need to put Walter's history on this site. It is rather long.) Most were written by Walter to Martha and some are letters to Martha written by other people. Some were from before the move from Switzerland and some from after. I was also able to borrow these for a day and scan them as well. I did find a friend of ours who can read German script (a lost art I hear) and she has agreed to translate them for us. I have no idea what is in these letters and for the enjoyment of the family I will post them on this blog when we get the translations back — hopefully in chronological order. The first one was actually written in French and written to Martha by a friend. I sent it to a friend who speaks French and this is what she sent back.
The first letter. It was written to Martha and addressed to her at a hospital in Biel, Switzerland.
February 2, 1910
[pg 2] Will be soon the moment of you lifting/rising yourself and especially if you can walk. And also as much as I hope that it goes well I can’t write his name I remind myself more. Me when I arrived at the house they all had a good laugh; with my package under the arm.
And now I end my letter by telling you that for me it all to me you weaken [this part doesn’t really make any sense, but the last word on that line is hard to make out…I think it is t’afais which doesn’t mean anything, but if it’s spelled incorrectly it might have supposed to have been t’affrais, which would mean you weaken] impossible to come Sunday it will be for the next Sunday because I do not want to be at the house.
[pg 3]I had a lot of boredom at the hospital it cost me nothing to come and to go out no more.
Finally in waiting until the other Sunday.
Good greetings to all and also to Sister Lina,
One who thinks of you all
Goodbye dear Martha
A thousand kisses/Thousands of kisses a friend who thinks of you
Mathilde Brandt
Interesting letter. Hopefully it will make more sense when more letter translations come back as there were several letters from this time period all addressed to Martha at this hospital. I have not heard any stories about her and why she might have been hospitalized. Anyone know what this is about?
Until next time
~*Erin
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| World War II love letters |
Third we found a box of letters that belonged to Walter and Martha Hanni. They are all around 100 years old and written for the most part in German script. (I still need to put Walter's history on this site. It is rather long.) Most were written by Walter to Martha and some are letters to Martha written by other people. Some were from before the move from Switzerland and some from after. I was also able to borrow these for a day and scan them as well. I did find a friend of ours who can read German script (a lost art I hear) and she has agreed to translate them for us. I have no idea what is in these letters and for the enjoyment of the family I will post them on this blog when we get the translations back — hopefully in chronological order. The first one was actually written in French and written to Martha by a friend. I sent it to a friend who speaks French and this is what she sent back.
The first letter. It was written to Martha and addressed to her at a hospital in Biel, Switzerland.
February 2, 1910
Dear Martha,
I arrived well at the house. My [landlords/hosts] received me very well and I wanted to start working Saturday evening, and I was too tired I went to bed.
I arrived well at the house. My [landlords/hosts] received me very well and I wanted to start working Saturday evening, and I was too tired I went to bed.
See you later.You accused me of not having written, but I hope that you do the same pleasure of you having written a little word.
And when I started to work the next day everything seemed funny [or odd] to me but it made me very bad [hurt or sick] and now it quits a little [isn’t as bad]. I am always thinking that you are doing well I hope for that and that it[pg 2] Will be soon the moment of you lifting/rising yourself and especially if you can walk. And also as much as I hope that it goes well I can’t write his name I remind myself more. Me when I arrived at the house they all had a good laugh; with my package under the arm.
And now I end my letter by telling you that for me it all to me you weaken [this part doesn’t really make any sense, but the last word on that line is hard to make out…I think it is t’afais which doesn’t mean anything, but if it’s spelled incorrectly it might have supposed to have been t’affrais, which would mean you weaken] impossible to come Sunday it will be for the next Sunday because I do not want to be at the house.
[pg 3]I had a lot of boredom at the hospital it cost me nothing to come and to go out no more.
Finally in waiting until the other Sunday.
Good greetings to all and also to Sister Lina,
One who thinks of you all
Goodbye dear Martha
A thousand kisses/Thousands of kisses a friend who thinks of you
Mathilde Brandt
Interesting letter. Hopefully it will make more sense when more letter translations come back as there were several letters from this time period all addressed to Martha at this hospital. I have not heard any stories about her and why she might have been hospitalized. Anyone know what this is about?
Until next time
~*Erin
Wednesday, November 25, 2015
Let's join the General Society of Mayflower Descendants
We have known about the General Society of Mayflower Descendants (GSMD) for some time now and we have seen evidence that I am likely related to multiple pilgrims. We decided to go ahead and try to join the GSMD officially. One of the many things that led to this decisions was that our family line on FamilySearch has been edited in some way to break many of the connections that we thought we had. People have been merging or pruning the tree and we think that some errors may have been made. The process to join the GSMD requires you to provide very authoritative evidence of your direct lineage all the way back to the Mayflower passengers. A lot of the work has already been done for the generations following those pilgrims so our main focus is my immediate 3-5+ generations until we can tie into a line with existing approval of lineage. This will provide two things for us personally: 1) more confident evidence of my pilgrim heritage and 2) knowing that by going through this process we will make it easier for our ancestors or cousins or distant family to prove their lineage and join due to the fact that they may have less generations they need to cover as a result of our work.
We plan to document the process so that others who are considering joining can see what its like. We have heard that it can be rigorous or, depending on what has already been done, it may be relatively simple. We suspect that we have 4 or 5 lines back to the pilgrims and over time we would like to validate all of them.
So here is the first post.
Last night I located The Utah Society, a local member "chapter" of the GSMD. The Utah Society shows on their webpage that you start the process by submitting a "application review" worksheet showing your lineage. This is a real quick and dirty "this is how I think I am related" with no attached documentation at the moment. The idea is that the local historian will poke around their resources to determine what has already been approved by other members to see how much work we will have to do. We have potentially 5 lines so I sent an email to the historian expressing interest in joining and asked if the historian would like to see 1 "application review" at a time or all 5. While we waited for a reply we got to work reviewing our lines to be ready to send the review worksheets.
Here are the 5 lines we are interested in pursuing identified by signers of the Mayflower Compact:
We plan to document the process so that others who are considering joining can see what its like. We have heard that it can be rigorous or, depending on what has already been done, it may be relatively simple. We suspect that we have 4 or 5 lines back to the pilgrims and over time we would like to validate all of them.
So here is the first post.
Last night I located The Utah Society, a local member "chapter" of the GSMD. The Utah Society shows on their webpage that you start the process by submitting a "application review" worksheet showing your lineage. This is a real quick and dirty "this is how I think I am related" with no attached documentation at the moment. The idea is that the local historian will poke around their resources to determine what has already been approved by other members to see how much work we will have to do. We have potentially 5 lines so I sent an email to the historian expressing interest in joining and asked if the historian would like to see 1 "application review" at a time or all 5. While we waited for a reply we got to work reviewing our lines to be ready to send the review worksheets.
Here are the 5 lines we are interested in pursuing identified by signers of the Mayflower Compact:
- John Tilley and John Howland. (Both signed the compact and John Howland later married John Tilley's daughter Elizabeth.)
- Thomas Rogers
- Francis Cooke
- Peter Brown
- Stephen Hopkins
I jumped on my whiteboard desk while we consulted FamilySearch, AncestorFinder, and Ancestry.com family trees. These tools and many others can be used to look through your tree and determine paths. We are using a new, private Ancestry.com tree to catalog the direct line and will put only direct ancestors and their spouses to have a clean representation of our work.
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| See John Lathrop on there? He was not on the Mayflower but is a significant historical religious ancestor and we wanted to see where he fit in. |
The only line that we couldn't currently easily walk is the Peter Brown line. We found lots of conflicting evidence and no actual path to Peter Brown. The documentation we had that suggested a line was generated from RelativeFinder possibly when, for some reason, our tree in FamilySearch was in a poorly merged state.
By the end of the night the historian from the Utah Society had replied stating we could send all 5 application reviews at the same time (now only 4 thanks to Peter Brown). The email also included more information about the application process. This sounds like its going to be a fun adventure.
-Dan
-Dan
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